Ice cream and food saver

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brava22
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Since everyone is buying alot of Breyers I was wondering if any of you wrap it somehow or possibly put it in a plastic bag. I have eight of them. I was worried about them getting freezer burn before we eat it all. I do have a food saver and was wondering about sealing it in a bag to last longer. Any thoughts on this?

Coupon Maven
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Depends on the freezer

If you own a non-self-defrosting freezer (like a chest freezer) that's where you want to store your ice cream long term.

The reason ice cream gets all "crystal-y" on top has nothing to do with it being sealed or not -- it has to do with freezers that have automatic defrost. In order to auto-defrost, the freezer periodically sends warm air around the perimeter of the freezer, warming it up briefly in cycles to keep ice from forming.

Which affects ice cream more than anything else. If you have one, sticking it deep into a non-frost-free freezer is your best bet. I've frozen ice cream in my chest freezer for close to a YEAR (really) and had it come out perfectly when it was finally opened.

If you don't have a chest freezer, keep it in the middle of your freezer vs. around the edges/walls.

J.R.
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Jill, or any one else who got

Jill, or any one else who got one, when you have a chance, could you post the brand / model info for the Jewel chest freezer? I'll do some research on it and see what I can find about it, specifically about using it in an unheated garage.

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Three more tips I'll pass on from last winter when we replaced our old freezer. I called a couple repair folks from Angie's List, and the first one to get back to me was what I'd call brutally honest. He told me the truth even though it wasn't what I wanted to hear.

For most of these inexpensive freezers, there is only one thing that can go wrong on them, the compressor. They have a life span of about 10 years, and when they fail, the cost to repair is more than the replacement cost of the unit. He could have charged me $80 or so to come out and tell me that, but he didn't.

A second return call from a second place confirmed what he'd told me. By then, our freezer had started working again (it may have got stuck in a defrost cycle, and unplugging it for a while made it behave), but given its age I just didn't trust it any more, so we got the new one ASAP and transferred all the food from the old unit to the new one, and unplugged the old one.

So if you have an inexpensive old freezer, consider it disposable rather than repairable, especially if it's any where near 10 years old when something goes wrong.

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Second deal: ComEd is offering a recycle rebate on replacing old less energy efficient refrigerators, freezers, and air conditioners. They'll haul your old one away AND give you $25 for it. Info is at

https://www.jacoinc.net/weborder/rebatex.aspx?ProgramID=30

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Finally, when disposing of an old refrigerator or freezer REMEMBER SAFETY. Take the door off the unit before placing it outside. The child's life you save may be your own.

Savings R Us
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We are looking to purchase a

We are looking to purchase a new fridge for our unheated garage. The sales person told us that it is not a good idea to put a new fridge in the garage because the new technology used in the fridges will not work correctly in room temps below 50 degrees. Has anyone heard this before?

Coupon Maven
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Sort of..!

For warranty purposes, most refrigerators or freezers' manuals will state that they're not recommended for unheated garages. Any appliance that cools is going to work harder in the summer and less hard in the winter if it's not in a climate-controlled environment. In the summer, the compressor will run much more often, and in the winter, much less. This can be seen as a "wear and tear" thing than the even cycles it would experience year-round if it was kept in the house.

My secondary freezer (yep, the Jewel one) is in the garage. When I brought it home, I wanted it in the garage because it's just outside my kitchen. But the manual said don't put it in the garage.

At that point, I consulted two of my most trusted resources for this kind of info - Google and my Dad. :) Google had numerous accounts of people successfully keeping fridges and freezers in their garages year-round, and my Dad, who is a genius in too many things to list (but electronics and electrical appliances certainly fall under his banner of knowledge too) gave me this answer.

"Wasn't it free? Does it matter if the lifespan might perhaps be a little shorter because you're keeping it in the garage?"

Hee. In all seriousness, he then gave the explanation that I wrote above about the compressor running differently at different times of the year. I've had my freezer in the garage for over a year now, and it does run more often in summer, barely at all in winter. But it does keep everything nice and frozen year-round.

So, it's your call. There's no set, specific lifespan I can give you if you keep it in the house vs. garage. If it's a secondary fridge, I'd go for a no-frills model -- you won't need an icemaker out there, I'm guessing -- and if you're near one, check out a Sears Outlet store. They sell floor models, scratched/dented, and discontinued appliances -- the prices can be excellent, and usually the cosmetic issues are minimal, if any.

We've bought many new appliances at the Sears Outlet, and our current fridge was over $300 less than an identical model at the "regular" Sears because it had a small dent.

On the back. On the side that's against the wall.

It works just fine :) I'd bet you'd be okay with something like that in the garage too. And if you get it for a great price, I wouldn't worry too much about keeping it in the garage. I do LOVE having a second fridge -- when we moved into our new place a few years ago, we put the old fridge in the basement -- and it has proven invaluable for deals on things like the Over the Moon milk (14 cartons in there right now) and Grands biscuits, among other things.

phoenix
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Used

if you wan a new freezer you would get a good deal at the Sears Outlet. Or if you don't care if it's new I would try Craigs List. You could probably find a used fridge or freezer for $50-$100.

bluedemon20
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Or just wait....

I'd be happy to sell mine on February 1...I'll sell it for 75.00. =)

shoptiludrop
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:) Bluedemon, you ARE very deal savvy,

(to quote Jill)!

Excellent idea, make some easy $ and get the NEW one w/ the q's, LOVE IT! Wonder if there will be a lot of 'free freezers' for sale in Feb.?

bluedemon20
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=)

Maybe now there might be...gotta learn to keep my keyboard shut! =)

J.R.
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Do NOT put a refrigerator / freezer unit in your garage!!!

It's actually not the higher summer load that causes the problem with a fridge/freezer in the garage, it's the cold winter!

[Some of you may want to skip the technical details following]

All but the most expensive refrigerator freezer combo units, especially with the freezer on top, have a single thermostat and compressor to cool the whole unit. The thermostat is in the fridge section, but most of the cooling is in the freezer section, and the "cold" sinks from the top freezer down to the fridge by convection.

High end, expensive units like my Sub Zero with the bottom freezer have 2 separate thermostats and 2 separate compressors, so this isn't an issue. But it's unlikely that someone is going to stick a $6000 Sub Zero in their garage!

This works fine in warm room temperature conditions, even in an un air conditioned house in the summer. But put that refrigerator in the garage in a Chicago winter, when the outside temperature is below the normal refrigerator temperature, and the thermostat will tell the machine it's cold enough inside and the compressor will never run.

So when your garage is 35 degrees, your fridge will stay cold by itself, and the freezer will not get any cooling and will start to defrost. All your savings start to spoil :-(

And of course if the temperature drops further, like the cold spell we had last winter with 20 below temperatures outside, the stuff in the refrigerator section will start to freeze, ruining even more food.

With a chest freezer only, you might be OK, but absolutely do NOT expect a low end refrigerator / freezer combo to work properly in a cold environment like an unheated garage in our climate.

Last winter, when we had to replace our old freezer, we saw this at Sears. It's a "Freezerator", with a small top refrigerator compartment and a large bottom freezer that is designed for garage use. I'd bet it's got separate compressors for each half. It's also over $1000!

http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GarageWorks-GAFZ21XXRK-Refrigerator-21-C...

bluedemon20
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Well...

Well, it's a good thing I'm not putting filet mignon in my freezer. Just 5 cent ice cream, 1 cent Grands, 25 cent hot dogs, and free salsa.

J.R.
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Where did my EDIT link go???

Jill, is there a reason the link to edit the above post has vanished? After my followup post, I wanted to go back and clean up the wording here and there, and noticed the edit link is gone. At first I thought maybe I can only have one edit link in a thread, but I found others where I can edit multiple old posts.

Coupon Maven
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Don't know?

I haven't changed any settings as far as editing posts, etc - I have no idea!

And I appreciate your insights on the compressor too. With a Sub-Zero (expensive!) I would never put that quality of an appliance in the garage. But a cheap freezer or fridge? Absolutely..! As long as you know the "risks," it shouldn't be an issue.

I can remember my parents having an old fridge years ago - when they got a new one, (if I remember correctly- I was pretty young!) they gave it away to one of the neighbors, who stuck it in his garage for years. Then, he gave it away to someone else who stuck it in an airplane hangar. They used to joke that fridge would NEVER die. :)

J.R.
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Check your owners manual...

I just double checked my "new" Kenmore upright freezer instruction manual:

"For the most efficient operation, the freezer should be located where the temperatures will not exceed 110F. Temperatures of 32F and below will NOT affect the freezer operation. Additional compressor heaters are not recommended."

So while mine is in the basement, it should work fine in a garage.

The major problem is with the refrigerator freezer combo units. Unless specifically designed for that environment, they just will not work in unheated garages in our climate.

Savings R Us
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I am very thankful for this

I am very thankful for this information. Perhaps we will just have to use it during the warmer months when we need more space for the water, sodas, watermelons, and other summer foods that take up so much room in our kitchen fridge. Your technical details have made sense. You have opened the door and turned the light on with this information. ;~) Thanks!!

Savings R Us
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Gotta love your dad!! ;~) We

Gotta love your dad!! ;~)
We have kept our freezer out in the garage for 25 years. Still going strong. (knock on wood) We were at the sears outlet looking at the no frills model fridge and the sales person there is the one who told us not to keep it in the garage. The price was around $350. I'm thinking we are going to go for it.
Thanks for the info! You do know everything don't you?! Your the BEST!!

shlee
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Our garage fridge/freezer

stops working when it gets below 32 degrees or so. It's fine for the refrigerated things but in the freezer part, we only keep bread and buns in the colder days of winter. I thought it was because it's an older fridge/freezer.

letsshop
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THANKS JILL

I never knew that ,You learn something new every day . I also was going to shrink wrap mine ,But I will just switch freezers instead .

prea
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Jill knows

Jill knows EVERYTHING about anything you need to know, from shopping, (of course), to how to save a burnt pan, to the best way to store ice cream, and the best laundry detergent to save your whites. Amazing, isn't it?

sjw1314
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I thought about asking Jill

when I saw a hair dye spot on my bathroom wallpaper, I can't scrub it because it will rip the paper, any suggestions?

parsh5
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Look out Martha Stewart...

I was just thinking the same thing!

arstella
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Ha!

I just told my boyfriend the exact same thing. Jill knows everything! We were rolling deals today at Jewel (just got back) and I kept saying "Well, Jill said..."! Thanks, Jill!

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